[22:50:56] [connected at Thu Feb 18 22:50:56 2016] [22:51:07] [I have joined #xf-bod] [22:51:32] <danvet> keithp, I mailed leon [22:54:48] <danvet> keithp, btw how do you check that? [23:00:44] <agd5f> howdy [23:00:49] <danvet> hi [23:01:01] <danvet> keithp, a misunderstood and didn't realize you said fd.o [23:01:03] <egbert> hi! [23:01:18] <danvet> pretty big agenda today [23:01:24] <danvet> Agenda: logo request, x.org woes, gsoc, voting, outreachy, evoc payement [23:02:05] <danvet> whot, mupuf, robclark, marcoz ... [23:02:10] <robclark> o/ [23:02:14] <danvet> \o [23:02:24] <whot> just arrived [23:04:58] <danvet> mupuf, marcoz ? [23:05:17] <danvet> I guess we'll get started meanwhile [23:05:21] <danvet> anything else for the agenda? [23:06:04] <danvet> first one should be quick, the logo request I forward [23:06:17] <danvet> egbert looked at it in detail and votes we'll ask not to use it [23:06:27] <whot> +1 [23:06:36] <danvet> agd5f also +1 on the m-l already [23:06:37] <egbert> it is clear as glass that this has been derieved from our logo. [23:06:38] * danvet +1 too [23:06:41] <danvet> yeah [23:06:47] <egbert> +1 [23:06:54] <danvet> one more and it carries and I'll type the mail [23:07:20] <robclark> seems fair.. if we need help w/ legal reasons about copyright defense, spi might be able to help.. either way +1 [23:07:29] <danvet> cool, thx [23:07:34] <danvet> I'll type a reply later [23:07:41] <robclark> (ianal but as far as I understand if you don't defend your trademark/copyright you loose it..) [23:07:45] <danvet> next up, x.org woes ... [23:07:52] <danvet> robclark, same understanding here [23:08:15] <danvet> daniels sent a detailed update to board@xorg-foundation.org [23:08:33] <danvet> which serves as the backup domain until hopefully soon x.org is back up&running [23:08:40] <danvet> I sent a mail to leon asking him to help us out again [23:08:49] <agd5f> +1 [23:08:54] <danvet> he just replied half an hour ago, promised to look into it asap [23:09:01] <egbert> would someone in the us be willing to give him a call? [23:09:03] <danvet> he's travelling, so might take a while [23:09:09] <egbert> ok [23:09:11] <danvet> egbert, I'm way ahead already ;-) [23:09:39] <danvet> I'll be on vacation next week, but should be able to handle everything with daniels&leon short-term [23:10:20] <danvet> but the real thing is why we haven't fixed this properly yet, so keithp: updates from netsol&slfc? [23:11:13] <egbert> are we going to tell mit to unrack the machine and throw it away? [23:11:36] <danvet> I don't even know where that machine is ... [23:11:45] <danvet> but yeah, forgot ... expo.x.org died [23:11:58] <danvet> server transition just in the nick of time [23:12:33] <egbert> i'm not sure if anyone will ever notice that there is a dead machine in the rack... [23:12:35] <danvet> keithp, slfc updates? [23:12:49] <danvet> egbert, it might still hum ;-) [23:13:44] <egbert> danvet: depends how it died. we don't know what happened, do we? [23:13:55] <danvet> dropped off the net afawk [23:14:05] <robclark> heh, we might want to reclaim it for the xorg museum ;-) [23:14:10] <danvet> haha [23:14:26] <danvet> egbert, probably this week since the ns soa was super short still iirc due to server transitions [23:15:09] <danvet> mupuf, hi [23:15:38] <mupuf-jolla> sorry guys! [23:15:46] <danvet> ok, if keithp doesn't have sflc updates (tsk) then there's not really more about x.org I guess [23:15:50] <danvet> or more comments/questions? [23:16:08] <whot> board@xorg-foundation should work? has anyone sent to it? [23:16:15] <mupuf-jolla> i sent a comment on about it [23:16:28] <mupuf-jolla> not surei should have done it! [23:16:43] <danvet> whot, should [23:18:03] <whot> ok, I've resent my election system guidelines, lets see if that gets through [23:18:19] <robclark> whot, your resend got thru.. [23:18:24] <danvet> whot, I ahve it [23:18:43] <whot> weird, I didn't get it [23:19:25] <egbert> i don't think i've got it either. [23:19:48] <danvet> I'll put fallback addresses for everything into mtg minutes too [23:20:03] <egbert> thx [23:20:40] <danvet> whot, thx a lot for digging into our election code! [23:20:48] <danvet> whot, anything else about elections we need to care about? [23:21:06] <whot> I haven't set up the election reminder bit yet [23:21:08] <danvet> nomination period starts next week on 22th Feb [23:21:21] <danvet> we have some more time for that ... [23:21:22] <whot> and the wiki is down right now with the election dates, etc. [23:21:28] <danvet> http://www.xorg-foundation.org/wiki/BoardOfDirectors/Elections/2016/ [23:21:32] <danvet> nope, it's all here ;-) [23:21:33] <mupuf> that sucks... [23:21:48] <mupuf> danvet: we need to advertise the address then... [23:21:48] <danvet> so I think we should all still be ok to move forward, technically [23:22:04] <whot> ok, the problem is getting to that link if you don't have it. xorg-foundation.org redirects to mailman [23:22:05] <danvet> mupuf, yeah, mails to members@ need new addresses for everything ofc [23:22:16] <danvet> whot, www.xorg-foundation.org [23:22:36] <mupuf> sounds good [23:22:36] <whot> huh. who puts www in front of things these days? :) [23:22:48] <danvet> ad-hoc mail setup [23:22:52] <whot> should ping daniels for that too [23:22:53] <danvet> blame daniels ;-) [23:23:07] <danvet> whot, can you do that? [23:23:43] <danvet> signed up ;-) [23:24:23] <danvet> whot, nomination period ends at 15th March [23:24:29] <danvet> so I think we should be all good [23:24:55] <danvet> or does anyone want to delay? [23:25:12] <danvet> we could just extend the nomination period if x.org isn't up within a few days ... [23:25:43] <whot> yeah, I'd say we need to delay unless we can have x.org up by the nomination date [23:25:55] <whot> because we have to notify people about the new domain, etc. [23:26:44] <danvet> whot, so you'd send out the nomation mail on 22th if x.org is up by then, and wait until next bod mtg if not? [23:27:33] <whot> yeah [23:27:47] <danvet> I guess normally I should send out that mail, but it's a bit hard while snowboarding in the Alps ;-) [23:27:48] <danvet> thx [23:27:51] <whot> well, we don't need to wait for another meeting, if x.org comes up before we can start the nom period [23:28:02] <danvet> sure, sounds good [23:28:07] <whot> otherwise we'll have to send a few emails to notify members of xorg-foundation.org [23:28:51] * robclark would rather be snowboarding in alps ;-) [23:28:54] <whot> btw, has anyone twittered/G+ on why xorg is down? [23:29:05] <danvet> whot, not why, but where the fallback is [23:29:10] <danvet> alanc retweeted [23:29:35] <whot> *why* would be useful, people making up interesting explanations. much more creative than "the box physically died" [23:29:40] <alanc> currently on top of https://twitter.com/XOrgFoundation [23:29:59] <alanc> you mean before phoronix posts it's because the incompetent board finally lost the domain? [23:30:14] <alanc> who needs facts when all you want is ad views? [23:30:15] <egbert> i hope it is physically dead and not something else happened to it. [23:30:18] <whot> I'm pretty sure that artcile would've gone out already [23:30:22] <danvet> alanc, can you maybe tweet that pls? [23:30:37] <robclark> alanc, phoronix already has a post.. [23:30:38] <danvet> whot, that article is out already [23:30:54] <mupuf> danvet: will make a google+ one too [23:30:55] <egbert> don't worry about phoronix. i told michael what happened. [23:30:59] <danvet> "The X.Org project has its latest server embarrassment." [23:31:03] <danvet> he's good at bashing us [23:31:06] <danvet> mupuf, thx [23:31:16] <alanc> okay [23:31:21] <egbert> i was probably too late. [23:32:07] <whot> egbert: you're assuming he cares about facts [23:32:14] <danvet> whot, I think we've covered elections, right? [23:32:20] <whot> I think so [23:32:28] <danvet> cool, thx again for your work [23:32:32] <danvet> next up gsoc [23:33:00] <danvet> I've heard mupuf & agd5f are making everything happen already nicely [23:33:12] <danvet> updates? next up? do we need to collect ideas already? [23:34:00] <danvet> stukreit, meanwhile: any updates about evoc payements to julia? [23:34:16] <mupuf> danvet: =yes [23:34:19] <mupuf> we need ideas [23:34:25] <alanc> https://twitter.com/XOrgFoundation/status/700448019418714114 [23:34:27] <mupuf> I asked agd5f to send an email [23:34:40] <alanc> danvet: stukreit left on vacation last night, back in a week [23:34:52] <alanc> (unless he's logged in while on vacation) [23:35:11] <danvet> alanc, ah ok, thx [23:36:02] <danvet> mupuf, do you have the correct link to the ideas page for the minutes? [23:36:12] <danvet> mupuf, also, sent out a mail to usual lists already? [23:36:39] <robclark> http://www.xorg-foundation.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/ [23:37:02] <robclark> I guess we need to make a 2016 section.. some of the freedreno ideas carry forward.. probably same for nouveau.. [23:37:22] <danvet> yeah [23:37:29] <danvet> mupuf, can you pls take care of that? [23:37:48] * robclark intended to update freedreno earlier in the week but still hasn't gotten to it.. [23:38:26] <mupuf> danvet: can agd5f do it? [23:38:32] <mupuf> I am a little swamped right now :s [23:38:33] <danvet> agd5f, ^^ ? [23:38:39] <danvet> mupuf, cheap excuse ;-) [23:38:49] <mupuf> danvet: ah ah, I know :D [23:39:09] <agd5f> I can update if you send me new content [23:39:51] <mupuf> agd5f: I meant the email to the members to ask them to put ideas [23:40:11] <mupuf> adding a 2016 sectrion, I can do now :) [23:40:29] <agd5f> mupuf: already sent [23:40:53] <agd5f> this morning [23:42:02] <mupuf> agd5f: cool! [23:42:34] <danvet> agd5f, well you need to resend probably ;-) [23:42:58] <danvet> agd5f, and can you pls also cc devel mailing lists, like dri-devel, xorg-devel, wayland and all these? [23:43:17] <mupuf> agd5f: where did you send it? [23:43:21] <agd5f> danvet, I did. did it not go through? [23:43:21] <danvet> not everyone is a member ... [23:43:29] * robclark saw agd5f's email.. [23:43:35] <robclark> xorg/mesa/wayland lists.. [23:43:36] <danvet> agd5f, didn't see it on dri-devel at least [23:43:41] <robclark> (but not dri-devel) [23:43:53] <danvet> ah, I read mesa/wayland with delay [23:43:57] <danvet> agd5f, maybe add dri too? [23:44:00] <agd5f> yeah, missed dri-devel [23:44:18] <danvet> thx [23:44:27] <danvet> mupuf, agd5f that's all for gsoc? [23:44:52] <mupuf> danvet: yep [23:45:04] <mupuf> I will link to it on google+ too [23:45:12] <danvet> cool, thx for all that work to keep this running smoothly [23:45:20] <danvet> alanc, can you tweet gsoc too pls? [23:45:38] <danvet> next up is just outreachy [23:46:07] <danvet> I think we had a good discussion on board@ about, summary is imo "it's complicated, maybe next year again when we figure a few things out" [23:46:16] <danvet> sounds good, or comments? [23:46:33] <danvet> whot&I tried to chat with sarah some more, but she's at a conference somewhere offline [23:47:27] <danvet> whot, egbert, agd5f, robclark ? [23:48:13] <robclark> seems like we could more or less use the same ideas page, and criteria, for outreachy? In which case I'm all for it.. although I thought we missed the deadline already? [23:48:17] <whot> I agree, I don't think we should do this, not with the SPI bit coming up and not until we fixed the other issues [23:48:34] <danvet> robclark, imo the challenges is that to make outreachy really useful [23:48:46] <danvet> we need to figure out how to get people completely new to open source up&going [23:48:53] <danvet> and we just don't know how to do that ... [23:49:04] <egbert> well, as i said on board@ i prefer the more flexible terms we have for evoc. so i'd much rather see our outreach to underrepresented groups be part of that. [23:49:23] <robclark> I guess if the target audience is 'more completely new to it' than gsoc, that would be a problem we are not ready for yet [23:50:08] <egbert> i'm not sure if 'completely new to it' is the goal of outreachy. [23:50:13] <robclark> the biggest problem w/ evoc is we aren't really equipped for payment logistics.. [23:50:15] <agd5f> danvet, I think just need to basically tell her the same thing we discussed in the thread. Basically that we are not set up the to basic programmer enablement [23:50:15] <danvet> well right now we pretty much require someone to just figure out how to contribute a simple patch as a gsoc/evoc requirement [23:50:27] <danvet> agd5f, yeah [23:50:40] <danvet> whot, I guess we could try to chat with sarah once I'm back? [23:51:32] <whot> yeah, works for me [23:51:52] <mupuf> +1 [23:51:54] <danvet> cool, will take that as the action then [23:52:05] <egbert> ok +1 [23:52:14] <robclark> +1 [23:52:14] <agd5f> +1 [23:52:42] <danvet> so 8 minutes short, with a massive agenda [23:52:44] <danvet> thx to everyone [23:52:50] <danvet> do we have any last minute topics [23:52:55] <egbert> yup, good night. [23:53:09] <whot> no topics here [23:54:02] <robclark> nope [23:54:52] <danvet> I guess that's it then, I'll tell my secretary to send out the notes [23:54:54] <danvet> goodnight
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