Date is 2015-07-10, times are UTC+10.
--- Day changed Fri Jul 10 2015 07:01 < whot> good morning gents 07:02 < martintetedenain> hey guys! 07:02 < martintetedenain> oh, need to change my nick! 07:02 < whot> yes, stop the confusion already! :) 07:02 < agd5f> hey 07:03 -!- martintetedenain is now known as mupuf-jolla 07:03 < robclark> heheh, hi 07:06 < whot> keithp: ping 07:06 <+keithp> whot: what's up? 07:06 < whot> roll call check :) 07:06 <+keithp> oh, meeting time 07:07 < mupuf-jolla> yeah, meeting time! 07:07 < whot> alrighty, let's get started, three issues on the agenda, expo, bylaws and the trademark thingy I sent out yesterday. anything else on the list? 07:08 < mupuf-jolla> well, there is the members website thingy too, but we should probably handle it in the ml 07:09 < whot> yeah 07:09 < whot> robclark: any updates on expo? 07:09 < mupuf-jolla> so sorry for not answering... 07:09 < robclark> not terribly much.. I basically got as far as reading http://blog.tommyku.com/blog/setup-gmail-smtp-on-openshift-hosted-app and then got distracted.. 07:10 < robclark> but basically looks like we just need a smtp server somewhere we can talk to.. 07:10 < robclark> not sure what the best way to do that w/out making that smtp a spam relay.. 07:10 < whot> last meeting we talked about using fdo for that? 07:11 <+keithp> yes, we have SSL smtp set up on fdo now 07:12 < robclark> ok, so I guess we setup a pub/priv key pair for the openshift instance, and then figure out how to make php do smtp over ssh, or something roughly like that? 07:12 <+keithp> oh, but we didn't get a magic smtp-only account set up that we could use 07:12 <+keithp> robclark: no, just forward smtp to fdo and have it set up to allow for relays 07:13 <+keithp> would need to configure the email setup on openshift instance to use the appropriate smtp user/pass 07:13 <+keithp> robclark: would you like to just have joe rayhawk make this happen? 07:13 < robclark> ahh, ok 07:13 <+keithp> instead of attempting to configure the two ends separately? 07:14 < robclark> I guess I don't mind who does the fd.o end of it.. 07:14 < robclark> just let me know the magic user/pass and I'll update the php 07:14 < robclark> and push to openshift instance, and then we should be in business.. 07:14 <+keithp> ok 07:15 < whot> sounds like a plan 07:16 < whot> I had DNS cname entry on the minutes from last time, I think egbert wanted to look into that but he's afk. robclark did you look at that too? 07:16 < robclark> nope 07:16 < whot> right 07:17 < whot> guess that bit gets deferred then until egbert is back 07:18 < whot> anything else on expo? 07:19 < robclark> I guess moving mailing lists are still to-do.. but I assume that is mostly just a matter of asking some fd admin to setup some lists.. and maybe update MX record in dns? 07:21 <+keithp> robclark: does fdo need to also proxy inbound mail? 07:21 <+keithp> I thought mailing lists were just going to run on fdo 07:21 <+keithp> in which case, yeah, a simple MX record would suffice 07:21 < robclark> keithp, I think we just don't do inbound mail on expo.. 07:21 < danvet> whot, sorry for being late, but juliet's evoc is also for agenda I think 07:21 < robclark> and just move the lists to fd.o 07:21 < whot> danvet: yeah, I just saw matt's email 07:21 < danvet> yeah just arrived 07:21 < robclark> so only thing mail related going on with expo is things like I-forgot-my-password emails.. 07:22 < whot> which is outbound only 07:22 < robclark> (and other such notifications) 07:22 < robclark> right 07:22 < whot> keithp: didn't we pester you to ask for mailing list migration to fdo last meeting? or do I misremember that? 07:23 <+keithp> I'll I remembered was that we needed to get outbound mail setup from expo? 07:23 <+keithp> and that sounds like it almost won't be needed 07:23 < robclark> it will be light traffic.. 07:24 < robclark> there are one or two things that the member system sends notifications emails.. and that is really it.. 07:24 <+keithp> yup 07:24 < robclark> (well, maybe wiki too, I didn't check that part) 07:24 < robclark> which reminds me, I need to migrate the wiki as well.. 07:24 <+keithp> so, need to get mailing lists migrated; that means pulling list members out and just creating a new list on fd.o 07:24 < robclark> yup 07:25 <+keithp> we already have lists.x.org hosted on gabe 07:25 <+keithp> just means making a members list and a board list, right? 07:25 < robclark> I think it is just those two 07:25 <+keithp> sounds good 07:26 < whot> there used to be events@x.org I think, but I don't think we've used it in years 07:26 <+keithp> who has access to the members list? I can create a mailman list on fd.o 07:26 <+keithp> events@lists.x.org exists 07:27 < robclark> I guess whot probably has list admin? 07:27 < robclark> to get the member list 07:27 < whot> not that I know of, sorry 07:27 <+keithp> daniels has list admin on events@lists.x.org 07:27 < robclark> hmm, ok.. I thought you were one to add me to list, maybe I'm misremembering.. 07:27 <+keithp> robclark: surely members@ should be generated from the member ship directly 07:27 < robclark> ahh, ok.. 07:28 <+keithp> at least, that would be nice to do in theory 07:28 < robclark> well, in that case, I have a (several week old) dump of the mysql db.. 07:28 < whot> getting the email addresses is easy, getting the settings across is different. then again it probably doesn't matter if we miss the correct digest settings :) 07:29 < whot> so who's got what on the todo list then? 07:30 < robclark> I can handle updating php for members system once we have smtp user/pass.. and meanwhile I'll migrate the wiki.. 07:30 <+keithp> I will create the mailman lists. I don't have access to the membership at this point, so if someone else can send me the list of email addresses, I'll subscribe all of them 07:30 < whot> keithp: I'll get that to you later today 07:30 <+keithp> ok 07:30 <+keithp> who wants to be listadmin (other than me) for this? 07:31 < whot> all of us on the board? the more, the merrier :) 07:31 < whot> plus, higher chance of a list admin being available when needed 07:31 <+keithp> you'll get daily spam about oustanding admin issues 07:31 < danvet> it'll be subscriber-only, right? 07:32 <+keithp> danvet: yes 07:32 < danvet> for intel-gfx I only get mod mails about spam since we occasionally need to whitelist lkml people 07:32 < danvet> if that's killed by default there shouldn't be anything really 07:32 <+keithp> it's pretty minor 07:32 < danvet> so imo ok to make everyone on the board admin 07:32 <+keithp> how about I just subscribe board@lists.x.org as admin :-) 07:33 < whot> I want at least 2 backup accounts though 07:33 < whot> and yes, you can sign me up for one of them 07:34 < whot> ok, that should be all for expo today then? 07:34 <+keithp> sounds good 07:35 < mupuf-jolla> yep 07:35 < whot> slotting in the EVoC request in the agenda: brian is happy to mentor juliet for the project we voted on a while ago 07:35 < whot> that was approved based on "if the mentor says yes" and then laura couldn't mentor at that time. 07:35 < robclark> sounds good then.. I think all that was missing was a mentor before.. 07:36 < whot> so I don't think we need a formal vote, but just in case, everyone happy with the green light? 07:36 < mupuf-jolla> yep, she will likely be the only evoc. 07:36 < agd5f> sounds good 07:36 < robclark> sounds good 07:37 <+keithp> awesome, I'm in. +1 07:37 < mupuf-jolla> we should make sure she merges stuff one by one . She apparently is new to all this so better not leave her work on her own 07:38 < danvet> +1 07:38 < agd5f> +1 07:38 < mupuf-jolla> +1 07:38 < whot> alright, passed. thanks 07:39 < whot> ok, let's move on, SPI. mupuf-jolla 07:40 < mupuf-jolla> nothing new, really 07:41 < mupuf-jolla> i was supposed to contact someone but i apparently have been slacking and have been enjoying the sun! 07:41 < mupuf-jolla> I will set an alarm to do it next week! 07:41 < mupuf-jolla> sorry guys 07:42 < whot> ok, we'll postpone it again then, running low on time 07:42 < whot> last item: do we have rules/regulations for the use of our logo? 07:43 <+keithp> whot: I don't believe we have a trademark on our logo 07:44 < mupuf-jolla> is there anything you do not want to happen? 07:44 < whot> yes, "endorsed by X.Org" on a product we don't even know about 07:44 < mupuf-jolla> i mean, to me, it does not make sense to restrict the redistribution 07:45 < mupuf-jolla> no need for copyrights on this! 07:45 < mupuf-jolla> endorsed is a strong word! 07:46 < mupuf-jolla> Running X.org, that would be OK 07:46 < agd5f> it's not registered, but we could probably make the legal case that we have certain rights due to our historic use of it. that said, if there are others who have used it in the past and we didn't enforce our trademark, we probably don't have much of a case 07:47 < whot> right. so I guess the simple way here is to request that he won't suggest any endorsement and that's it 07:48 < mupuf> yes 07:48 < mupuf> I would say it is already what happens for tux 07:48 < mupuf> it is used on a ton of products 07:48 < agd5f> seems reasonable 07:49 < danvet> yeah 07:49 < mupuf> maybe we could check what the linux foundation does 07:49 < mupuf> and take the same approach 07:49 < danvet> they do a bit of enforcement I think since otherwise they'd lose rights to the registered trademark 07:49 < whot> right. I'll handle this then, will CC the board on the email 07:50 < mupuf> whot: thanks! 07:50 < danvet> hm "linux" seems a fairly serious business nowadays 07:50 < danvet> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/trademark 07:51 < whot> guess once you have the trademark, you need to care and follow the legal requirements 07:52 < danvet> yeah 07:52 < danvet> the sublicense form is impressive 07:52 < whot> alright, I think that's all we had on the agenda for today. anything we missed? 07:52 < mupuf> whot: GSoC 07:53 < mupuf> the midterms have passed 07:53 < mupuf> all the students passed 07:53 < whot> ah, cool, thanks 07:53 < mupuf> we had a problem with one mentor being away on vacation 07:53 < mupuf> and I had to fill his evaluation 07:54 < whot> do the students know about this yet? i.e. can I put it in the minutes? 07:55 < danvet> well I just send a mail to mine 07:56 < whot> ok 07:56 < whot> mupuf: anything else from GSoC? 07:56 < mupuf> whot: no, not really 07:56 < mupuf> yes, they know 07:56 < mupuf> it was last week 07:57 < whot> ok, thanks 07:57 < whot> I think we can call it a day then 07:58 < mupuf> very well! Have a good evening/morning/afternoon, everyone 07:58 < robclark> sounds good 07:58 <+keithp> thanks much! 07:58 < whot> thanks for attending, see you in two weeks