Date is 2015-06-12, times are UTC+10.
--- Log opened Fri Jun 12 06:49:31 2015 06:59 < whot> good morning 06:59 < mupuf_> ah ah 06:59 < mupuf_> morning :) 07:04 < whot> keithp, robclark: ping 07:04 < robclark> pong 07:05 < whot> ok, that makes 4 of us, out of 6 expected. let's get started anyway 07:06 < whot> agenda is expo and spi, don't think there's anything else on, is there? 07:06 < whot> last meeting's evoc is postponed until a new mentor is found 07:08 < mupuf_> right 07:08 < robclark> jfyi, I did some poking around.. and (at least for a non-server guy) amazon/etc cloud hosting pricing structures are rather complicated.. but otoh this looks rather straightforward and attractive.. https://blog.openshift.com/openshift-for-non-profits-open-source-and-educational-institutions/ ;-) 07:09 < robclark> I didn't get around to actually dropping them a mail yet, tho.. got distracted.. 07:10 < whot> we're only hosting board and member systems, not the public systems, so our traffic would be minimal I guess 07:11 < whot> iirc openshift is a pay-per-gb system otherwise 07:11 <+egbert> yeah. should not be overly high. spam probalby makes most of it. 07:11 < robclark> yeah, but the 'free for non-profits' option.. 07:11 < whot> but I agree that it's the most convenient for ppl without time to sysadmin stuff 07:12 < mupuf_> we would only need to make sure our backups work properly 07:13 <+egbert> so this system doesn't provide backups? 07:13 < robclark> I guess main xorg wiki, etc, is all running on fd.o infrastructure? 07:13 <+egbert> or are you concerned that we will have to move our stuff someplace else quickly? 07:14 <+egbert> robclark: yes, except xorg mls, the membership system. 07:14 < robclark> I didn't check yet if they have some sort of snapshot mechanism.. I guess they don't provide *less* backup solution that what we have right now (ie. just doing manual rsync) 07:14 < whot> https://help.openshift.com/hc/en-us/articles/202398980-How-do-I-backup-and-restore-my-OpenShift-data- 07:14 < whot> that looks awfully convenient 07:15 <+egbert> yeah. we should just make sure we pull the stuff once in a while. 07:15 < robclark> yeah 07:16 < whot> there's also a backup server that does it automatically (found after 2 min google) 07:16 < whot> so I guess the question comes down to: are we interested in pursuing that? 07:17 < whot> imo it looks like the best solution so far, especially if we get it for free 07:17 <+egbert> right. 07:18 <+egbert> we should add it to the list of options at least. let's see if anything else comes up ... 07:18 < robclark> the 'free' part is what is attracting me.. but I'm all for if someone else has other proposals to add 07:18 < mupuf_> egbert: I don;t trust "The cloud" 07:19 <+egbert> mupuf_: well, i don't either necessarily. so what we need to do is to be somewhat prepared for a plan_b. 07:19 < mupuf_> as long as the data is safe 07:19 < robclark> whot, egbert, I guess I should ping you at some point after mtg and find out a bit more about what we are running on expo... ie. does member website depend on some specific version of perl/python/mysql/etc.. 07:19 < mupuf_> and possibly, if we could backup snapshots of the entire system, that would be even better 07:19 < whot> robclark: yeah, we can do that afterwards 07:20 <+egbert> robclark: yes. not tonight, though. i need to go to bed ;) 07:20 < robclark> egbert, yes, that is what I expected, so tomorrow or early next week is fine 07:20 < whot> mupuf_: the point with openshift is that you don't care or have access to the system itself, only your application 07:20 <+egbert> whot: definitely! 07:20 < whot> with the idea that you can take it and move it elsewhere with the same system underneath 07:21 <+egbert> whot: yes! 07:21 < robclark> I guess we should try, before throwing the switch, to see if we can replicate the setup one one of our own pc's.. 07:21 < robclark> if we can do that, we should be able to migrate off of openshift 07:21 < mupuf_> whot: sounds good. Openshift can be found in many systems 07:21 <+egbert> yup 07:21 < mupuf_> robclark: Experimenting sounds like a good idea! 07:21 < whot> true. it's free to sign up for a test account too, or we can use mine 07:22 < agd5f> hi, sorry I'm late. I had a conflict earlier 07:22 < robclark> yeah, test account seems like a good idea 07:23 < whot> I guess the other question is whether there's other PaaS services similar that should be evaluated 07:23 < mupuf_> can we upgrade an account from test to production? 07:23 < mupuf_> that would be great for us! No need to set up the system twice :) 07:23 < whot> I admit I'm somewhat biased here, if red hat hosts one I'll be happy with that 07:23 < whot> mupuf_: that could test the theory - migration should just be snapshot-restore :) 07:24 < mupuf_> wonderful 07:24 < robclark> mupuf_, not sure, I'll have to do some research.. but tbh if we have to migrate to go from test account that is kind of a good thing (to have confidence in backups ;-)) 07:24 < whot> agd5f: np, want the summary or do you have the backlog? 07:24 < agd5f> I've got the backlog 07:26 < whot> ok, so our todo list is: find out if we get a free account, figure out how to set up a test system, migrate from one to the next, how to do backups 07:26 < whot> anything I missed? 07:26 <+egbert> sounds good. 07:26 < robclark> I guess if you missed some details will figure out in the process of setting up test system 07:26 < robclark> so sounds good 07:26 < whot> theory goes that either rob or I should be able to find someone who knows openshift by heart :) 07:27 < robclark> that is a reasonably good assumption 07:28 < whot> rightyo, let's leave it at that then, I'll put the checklist in the minutes so you all have something to tick off :) 07:28 < whot> next item: SPI, mupuf_? 07:29 < robclark> sounds good 07:29 < mupuf_> whot: I have done absolutely nothing... I started an intensive course of Finnish alongside work and I did not expect to spend 30+h/week on it... It is just insane how much homework we have 07:30 < mupuf_> it finishes next week 07:30 < mupuf_> so I will review our bylaws for the next meeting 07:32 < whot> o 07:32 < whot> ok 07:33 < whot> guess that should finish up this meeting then, unless anyone else has anything? 07:33 < mupuf_> no news on GSoC either 07:34 < robclark> nothing else from me 07:34 <+egbert> nothing here. let's wrap it up. 07:34 < whot> alrighty, let's get egbert to bed :) 07:34 < whot> thanks for attending, talk to you all in 2 weeks